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INFORMATION TO THE TOP MANAGEMENT AND VIGILANCE 

Request for justice in case of the supplied
Fuse Links –PO M-3571

& Fuse holder - Purchase Order

No.R-6357M/3832



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For the kind attention of the concerned QC official at ECIL. , Purchase Division, Head of the RPD division and the VIGILANCE department.
Respected sir/madam
Greetings
  You are hereby requested to kindly update me with the Payment  status of the qualified fuses material supplied to RPD-ECIL on 7th January against the PO M-3571. Nowthat 86 days are completed you are requested to kindly see that the concerned payment is done soon. The concerned GST amount has been payed by me to avoid any discrepancy with the financial department and the Tax invoice was provided on the day of supply itself.  Also the GST for Fuse holders was also paid even without any clarity of thought from the indenter or the QC department.   Request you to kindly update me with the status of the of Fuse holders supplied against the purchase order 3832. If the QC testing process has been initiated . Request you to share with me the report of the third party lab testing as it was mentioned on 24th February that it will take about 10 days to get the report and it has been 24 days by today.
      Iam here to inform you that the fuse links with current rating 1A  supplied against the PO-3571 have been rejected. The concerned ISRV & documentation with CIR NO- EO1749 has been attached for your kind reference information & confirmation..
      Hereby in this regards request you to kindly clarify me with few discrepancies found in the documentation and few queries/doubts arised in me due to the discrepancies found.
Discrepancies & Questionnaire  :-
1.       As per the Inward inspection report dated 25-02-2020 on the CIR No. E01749 , Observations are in Annexure sheet-1 and Remarks if any in Annexure sheet-2. In the S.no.2 of the Annexure 2   RE 2A & RE 2A5 are mentioned and in (b) its mentioned that component with RE2AS marking was not blown at 4,2A for 15 minutes & quantity tested is 2 nos. only. .In (c)  of Annexure 2 its again mentioned about RE 2AS to be blown at 2 sec at 5.25 A but the nos. are not mentioned
2.       In the Annexure sheet 1.  S.no.1 there are observations of 6 numbers of fuses tested for blow out time out of which two observations are about RE 2A5  tested at 4.2 A.  Its mentioned that one is not blown after 13 minutes and other not blown after 20 minutes .. Whereas in Annexure 2 its mentioned as 15 minutes for RE 2AS at 4.2 A. 
3.       Its mentioned in the top "Blow time at the rate of 210% of rated current" , then why one fuse was given current of 5.25A for the fuse of 2 A rating .
4.       In S.no.1 of the Anexure sheet 1 when a fuse link of 2A rating that is not blown even after 20 minutes at supplied current of 210% of the rating ie., 4.2 A  is qualified and considered to be passed in the QC test then why the fuse Link of S.no.3 of Anexure sheet-1 which is of 1 A rating is rejected when it is blown at certain time of 25 sec, 5 minutes, 3 minutes and 1.5 minutes.? Are you testing the burning saturation point or capacity of fuse to withstand the current or the time it can stay without burning @ 210% of rated current ? A clarity of test is missing.
5.       For S.no.1 with Quantity of 1200 nos. supplied if only 6 nos of samples are tested for Blow time then for S.no.3 for quantity supplied to be 730 nos. what for 8 nos. of samples have been tested
6.       When CIR was generated on 2nd February and signed by QC TM in-charge on 29th February for qualifying S.no.1, 2,4 & 5 & rejecting S.no.3..what for there is a handwritten statement of testing for 2 more nos on 2nd march 2020 for qualified fuse links in S.no 4 and S.no.5
7.       For the failed item of fuse links of 1A rating in S.No.3 I have the following queries and request you to kindly support me with clarification and required confirmation
1.       As per the discrepancy in the current rating as mentioned in S.no 3 above for the blow time mentioned above I have doubt of the current provided to the fuse links for the blow time that is mentioned as excessive than 10 sec. 
2.       As equivalent to all other types it was qualified in all tests of electrical continuity in all 730 nos, performance check with the withstanding capacity check for 20 nos., operating voltage & current was found to be suitable as per specification then why it will have the characteristic of failing in the blow test only and in 4 nos only. In such a scenario a decision of testing for 3 more nos. could have been taken because its sample test.
3.       When a decision was taken for testing two more samples for the qualified items then why can't a thought of testing two more samples for failed item when it is worthy enough in all other parameters.
4.       What standard test format or procedure has been followed for testing the fuse links? Any reference of JSS55555 or BIS documents as per Indian standards has been considered for conditions, parameters & its levels to initiate cum conducting the testing? Request you to share the test procedure followed.
5.       Confirmation of the calibrated equipment used for testing ?
6.       In the process of testing Burning capacity/time setup for another type of fuse this 1 A fuse might been tested by mistake..ie., if correct current rating is provided or not and if given to the same item to be tested at that rating or not.
7.       If tested Independently or in connection with the other fuses or in a continuity circuit link.? 
8.       At what confirmed voltage it was tested and if any variation in voltage or current was not there during testing period.
8.       For the items  in S.no.1 of the Annexure 1 which have been mentioned "not be blown after 13 minutes" & "20 minutes" I request you to kindly provide me with the samples for my reference,verification, clarification & testing.
9.       In case of 2A fuse links if it has been qualified considering the qualification of the majority of the samples tested then the same is applicable for 1A fuse links aswell for qualification of the LOT.
10.   It is understood in the CIR that the testing of the parameters as per the datasheet provided by our company has been done which implies that a design test is done in comparison to the data provided by us but not the qualification test as per your need or a record of your need/requirement. 
11.   Further to say its all a qualification test (for example continuity check etc.,) that could have been done at your place where as for acceptance test while doing a sort of destructive test (like the Blow test) it should have been done in a NABL accredited lab. May I ask if it was NABL accredited lab wherein the blow test was conducted.
12.   In case of the rejection of any material the usual practice is to provide the tested samples that have been the cause of rejection back to the supplier which has been done but Blow test samples in the pack were 7 nos. Failed pack had 2 nos. Performance check pack had 20 nos and the lot pack has 703 nos. ie., 703+20+2+7=732 nos  
13.   You mentioned of received material to be 730 nos & returning 730 Nos whereas the qty received in return itself by us was 732 nos. and should have received one more number in the blow test pack since 8 nos were tested as per the Annexure 1 sheet.
14.   The mismatch in the quantity of nos mentioned is a discrepancy leading to another doubt the validity of the nos. mentioned as receipt of the nos.by ECIL
15.   Further it has been mentioned in the on the material packet & the CIR sheet attachment that all received 730 nos. have been FAILED  which is not valid statement. You may mention it to be rejected lot but not as failed because in your selected samples of 20 nos for testing all have been qualified in the regular others test except the blow test in which aswell 4 nos out of 8 nos. have been qualified
 Request you to kindly acknowledge the receipt of the mail with your comments and suggestion allowing us to serve ECIL and provide our best services to ECIL .

Looking forward for your response
Thanking you in advance
Best regards
Prashant
LSPC Mansion,
H.No: 3-201, HIG,
Lane Opposite Lakshmi SBI Homes,
HUDA, Mayuri Nagar, Miyapur,
Hyderabad - 500049
Telangana, INDIA.
 
Phone::+91-8885583926

Information about the supplied fuse holder - Purchase Order No.R-6357M/3832


In regards to our previous discussion and meeting Iam hereby providing you with the requested details of the material supplied.  The other documents of DC copy, datasheet, COC etc., are available with the purchase department .
RUSSIA fuse holder
Fuse : 4x15mmRated
Load : 5A 250V ACContact
Resistance : ≤10mΩ
Insulation Resistance:   ≥1KΩ
Withstand Voltage: AC1500V(50HZ)/Min
Frame & Cap  :      PBT
Terminal  : Tin plated brass
As can be seen the frame and cap is mentioned to be of the material make of "PBT"  ie., Polybutylene Terephthalate (PBT) which is a flame retardant .. Attached is a document for your kind information and understanding of the PBT material and its properties allowing you to judge for its suitability for your requirement. In the positive acceptance of the material by yourselves we shall propose and accept for providing you with the metallic nuts as per the need of the end customer as suggested by you. Hereby you are requested to kindly respond with your decision allowing us to go further in supporting RPD-ECIL without further delay. 

For the kind attention of respected Balachandran sir, Head incharge RPD Division, ECIL
Respected sir
Greetings
    In regards to our conversation this afternoon firstly I would thank you for listening to me and appreciate you cum very much thankful for your knowledge and understanding of the different kinds of Polymers upon which we discussed ,.. As you rightly mentioned that Bakelite is not the material that's supposed to be used in your Electrical requirement products because of its higher moisture absorption characteristic & AG4 is a combination of certain % of Glass reinforced plastic which is SP16 equivalent , you can see the forwarded mail copied here below that the same has been mentioned to purchase department yesterday. 

    The reason for writing to purchase incharge was considering that Iam not supposed to disturb the indentor or the project head once the PO is released , thus following the protocol I wanted to communicate to the technical department through purchase department.  But however I have received a mail directly from the indentor asking for the clarification on the material supplied for which my explanation was given in response which has been forwarded to you and can be seen below.

      As discussed and accepted by you about the "OTK" standard to be considered as Russian Mil-standard, you can see that OTK certification is provided on the OEM certificate. For the understanding of ECIL the concerned Russian certificate has been translated to English and provided.
       When I received a mail from ECIL for explanation or clarification I have given the clarification from my end in response. Then whats wrong that I have done. Whys is an issue being created. I oblige Anil sir for his proper behavior till date. But I couldn't explain to the subordinates or others that may it be Bakelite or Polyester or AG4 or SP16 etc., all the Polymers only. I should thank you for accepting the term "reinforced plastic" .. The hydro carbon compound structure formed with any other material getting moulded as our need and being Mil-grade is what required ultimately by ECIL. In such a scenario my supplier's response from Russia is that Bakelite is not used any more and in case of requirement for defence purpose its a new compound used whose chemical structure will not be revealed but is certified to be Russian MIL-Grade for sure and is asking you to test as per your standards and verify if its meeting the required military standard or not .. Upon the other aspect or issue of metallic nut its mentioned that they had complaints from India in the past and even from ECIL itself that some Black colour is being formed at the contact of the metal and the fuse holder.. it might be because of some rusting or whatever reaction. Thus it was provided in such fashion with necessary required compound make to avoid future chemical reactions and or to avoid change of colour. And that's what was the picture shown in the datasheet provided by me.

      A confusion environment  is happening at ECIL on to go for either a Polyamide or Polymer or a PBT compound  or FRP or SP or Bakelite or to avoid Plastic or can accept Thermoset plastic..  The purpose of mentioning this to you is to make you understand the scenario since it has not reached to you till date.. However Iam happy that you have the clarity of each of this basic compound and can differentiate them or understand what are of the same make and fall under which category. Others are just going on with trade names. 

" I would say that AG4 is a Staramide,  which is a water insoluble, odorless polyamide (PA) 66 grade reinforced with 20% glass fiber . On one side they are blaming that material might be having Nylon and Nylon should not be used and on the other hand asking for AG4 which is having PA66 and I hope you know that PA66 is nothing but Nylon. Polybutylene Terephthalate - with 30 % Glass Fiber Reinforcement, would be Flame Retardant . so don't you think that might be better option in one way.     Ultimately hope you shall agree that end of the day whatever the combination is used if its a saturated polymer the internal bonding is high and thus the Strength will be high.  
Similarly if Graphene fiber reinforced plastic is achieved that would the best option which can be enquired from ARCI, Hyderabad.
      Iam mentioning all these points in the benefit of ECIL to avoid such confused ecosystem or issues in future for any other vendors though I may not get any enquiries/orders in future and may not be the future vendor or supplier..I respect purchase department for their proper response at all times. I should thank Anil sir aswell for his proper initiation but the issue is happening at various levels due to communication gap and ego problem to take the knowledge or information from the opposite.
             In regards to the current issue the OEM is sending a certificate of confirmation of the material to be of MILITARY GRADE in response to my query on behalf of ECIL. That's the assurance that I can give apart from the Bank gurantee cum security deposit that has already been submitted to purchase department of RPD.
Finally I'll take with a note of thanks for your time, support and guidance .. I thank you for your final humble words and giving me assurance to look into the issue and resolve it.

Thanking you
Best regards
Prashant.G
Rajarajeshwari Business Consultants.

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Prassannt Garekaphate <mktg.rrbc@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:42 AM
Subject: Fwd: Information to maintain the clarity of conversation in regards to the Fuse holders material make
To: <padmalatha_gg@ecil.co.in>

Respected madam
Greetings

In regards to my recent mail in response to the mail from RPD asking for clarification on the material supplied Iam hereby providing you the details for your information and database considering you to be the purchase incharge.
·         ""AG4 is a 20% Glass Fiber Reinforced Polyamide 66 Injection Molding Resin """ This info was not provided to me neither by the DGM or the indenter in the enquiry nor in the purchase order.
·         PBT compounds being flame redundant , A series of glass fiber reinforced, flame retardant PBT compounds which has a melting temperature of more than 200 degree celsius might be a better option. A sample sheet of the PBT material is attached for your reference.
·         Bakelite being considered as some hardest material in your conversations I would like to inform that its nothing but a plastic. 
You can see that on one hand RPD technical team is verbally asking for AG4 material, the subordinate is talking of Bakelite & the indentor is not confirmed with the exact material required. Out of my research I have done concerned enquiry and informing you about the information to avoid future confusions. ie., you can verify from your Chemical department scientists or from the Lab whrein the material is sent for testing and get the confirmation of the exact material required out of SP, AG4, PBT, Plastic, Bakelite or Polymer. A sample datasheet of PBT material is attached for your reference and understanding.

This is to give you a picture and vision of whats happening in true and how the vendor is being treated in a stubborn fashion. With such sort of not having a clarity for your self of whats exactly is required for your or needed for the your end customer how can you simply blame the vendor that that he is supply is not correct and that too your blame is without even doing the QC testing or initiation of any other test requirement.. Just looking at the colour how can you judge it to be worst.. It might be a better product than what you have.. 
FInally I'll take leave with a note of thanks for your time , support and hope that you shall consider my mail in positive sense so that we can work together to provide a better solution to the End user and thereby gain good name cum good business.
Looking forward for your response
Thanking you in advance
Best regards
Prashant
LSPC Mansion,
H.No: 3-201, HIG,
Lane Opposite Lakshmi SBI Homes,
HUDA, Mayuri Nagar, Miyapur,
Hyderabad - 500049
Telangana, INDIA.
 
Phone::+91-8885583926


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Prassannt Garekaphate <mktg.rrbc@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Confirmation of Material Supply and submission of datasheet cum necessary documentation
To: soujanya <soujanyachalasani@ecil.co.in>
Cc: Sheeja Sivarajan <sheeja@ecil.co.in>, <vanil@ecil.co.in>, <padmalatha_gg@ecil.co.in>, RPD Purchase <rpdpur@ecil.co.in>, M Vijayender Reddy <RPDSTORES@ecil.co.in>, pavani Garikapati <pavaniprashantg@gmail.com>

Respected Madam
Greetings

I acknowledge the receipt of your mail and would request you to kindly inform me on what basis it is being declared that the supplied material is not equivalent to the shown sample shown before placing order. 
In response to your request for providing clarification I would like to say the following words and the further explanation will be provided.
1.    Without the confirmation from any Mechanical or Chemical testing analysis you are not supposed to declare it to be unsuitable material for your requirement. 
2.    In case of any response or report from the testing lab wherein the supplied sample is sent for testing, you are hereby requested to verify if its the chemical testing or Mechanical analysis..
3.    In case of Chemical testing to understand the make of the material you are requested to kindly have a look at my mail to ECIL on september 7th 2019 that has been copied here below the list of points for your ease of reference.You can see that I have clearly asked for the required material in writing and also mentioned that your provided sample is also plastic.
4.    In regards to the Mechanical analysis I have provided you with the datasheet of the material that I shall supply upon the enquiry before placing PO . And that was in English version for your ease and convenience though its the make of Russia. The Mechanical cum structural characteristics can be verified in comparison with the datasheet provided.  
5.    Also on December 13th 2019 mail was sent with complete details of attachments for purchase department along with the datasheet of proposal of supply , mentioning here for your verification.
6.    As suggested by Sheeja madam the concerned Russian Datasheet version has been provided to you in English for your ease of testing and the concerned document is attached.
7.    If it is the case or issue of AG4 material I hope you remember that this discussion happened quite a few times when I asked you and you to have enquired with the available technical members in your team but couldn't come to a conclusion of what AG4 is nor you have confirmed from sir and informed me in response to which only I had to send request for explanation. This inquiry happened at purchase department aswell but didn't get any confirmed information.
8.    The material supplied is along with the Russian OEM warranty certificate for 15 years and with the OEM passport cum compliance certificate of declaring the material to of MIl-Grade. The supplied certificate is declaring the product to be OTK standard .The explanation of the OTK is attached for your kind reference which was sent as mail to Purchase incharge madam on the day of supply.
9.    The material that has been supplied as per OTK standard as mentioned and stamped on the Material packing and COC which indicates that the material supplied has been manufactured and QC certified after being tested as per the military standards by the OEM. That's the proof for material being supplied is of Mil-Grade standard.
10.  The concerned OEM Russian certificate snapshot has been attached for your reference & the English translation has been provided for your understanding. 
11.  The Fuse holder datasheet provided to ECIL before placing a PO has been attached for your cross verification and request you to kindly comment which is the issue or aspect/parameter of the specification that you are considering to be irrelevant or not matching with the supplied material and which of these parameters have been tested before claiming my supply to be improper. The document will be available in your SAP database without my access for any manipulation. Thus being in secured database you can verify with what I have provided during the time of tendering process.
12.  Also the production period of the material is shown to be in 2019 in the certificate which is less than 2 years as per the need of the project requirement. 
13.  As you are aware and get confirmation from purchase department that the Bank guarantee has been provided whose snapshots were shown in previous mail , you can think logically precise that why I shall take risk if I don't have the confidence of supplying quality product as claimed to supply as per my explanation given to ECIL in response to which purchase order was given.
Finally I'll leave with a note of request for considering the material to be of Military Grade looking at the Testing Standard stamp on certificate to be of OTK ie., the testing of the material supplied is done as per Military testing and thereby request for atleast initiate the QC testing as per the datasheet provided & thereby accepting the material for your purchase to implement in the required project.  

Upon the receipt of the test report from the lab further explanation and discussion can be done in regards to any device with make of - Plastic, PBT, FRP, Bakelite, SP, Polyamide, Nylon, staramide etc., This is for the clarification of ECIL in communication with the Vendor such that every next supply shall be done as per the need of ECIL with vendor's self decision or ECIL has to clarify with clear detailed info.. For example if we mentioned "fuse holder made of Bakelite".. Bakelite is a compound structure polymer whose parent material class is Plastic and a multiple combinations whose sample list is attached for your reference to understand that in the process of our transaction we need to have the clarity of what exact is expected by the end user.  

Looking forward for your kind response 
Thanking you in advance
Best regards
Prashant.G

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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Prassannt Garekaphate <mktg.rrbc@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 3:39 PM
Subject: Request for information & proposal
To: <vanil@ecil.co.in>

Respected sir
Greetings
In regards to the recent RFQ that I have received I have seen that Switch πT3 -40B  is not mentioned which was also enquired for during our initial discussion for which budgetary price was mentioned. This material is available for ready dispatch and supply if required instead of waiting for 2 months ..
In regards to the Fuse Holder please confirm with the exact material that you are expecting which I guess is not accepted if made of Plastic, Polymer or Nylon. Also request you to confirm with the approximate Qty such that I shall get back to you with the price and time period for supply. The query raised here is that sample fuse holder provided by you aswell is made of Plastic.
For the enquiry of Fuses Iam ready with the quotation and datasheet and shall provide to RPD purchase department on Monday ie., 9th september the due date and shall meet you once.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________

On Mon, Feb 24, 2020 at 10:43 AM soujanya <soujanyachalasani@ecil.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sir,

With reference to the below mail, received material is not equivalent to the samples shown by you before placing the order. Please clarify the same as  soon as possible.
 Thanking You,
With Best Regards

Ch Soujanya
Technical Manager
Reactor Projects Division
Electronics Corporation Of India Limited
Hyderabad,Pin-500062
Phn-040 2718 6823/2778

From: Prassannt Garekaphate [mailto:mktg.rrbc@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 February 2020 19:16
To: soujanya; Sheeja Sivarajan
Cc: RPD Purchase; vanil@ecil.co.inpadmalatha_gg@ecil.co.in
Subject: Confirmation of Material Supply and submission of datasheet cum necessary documentation

Respected/mamdam
Greetings
 In regards to the Enquiry No. 759850, Purchase Order No.R-6357M/3832,  I am hereby confirming you that the concerned material has been supplied , delivered today at the RPD stores against the DC copy no. 517209, dated 18th February 2020.. The concerned Security Deposit & Bank Guarantee  with NO.- 748964 has been submitted in the purchase department about few days ago in the past week.
 The concerned proof of the DC copy, Security deposit & Bank Guarantee, COC certificate for the material supplied and snapshots of the material supplied have been attached for your kind reference , confirmation and database.
 Upon the suggestion of Sheja madam and Padmalatha madam the datasheet of the material provided along with the initial quotation on 13th December 2019  has been attached which has English language explanation & prepared another document of English Version today for your future benefit of QC activities.

Request you to kindly see that the concerned ISRV is done soon so that QC work can be initiated soon.
 Finally I'll take leave with a note of thanks for your kind support and time.
 Looking forward for your response
Thanking you in advance
Best regards
Prashant
LSPC Mansion,
H.No: 3-201, HIG,
Lane Opposite Lakshmi SBI Homes,
HUDA, Mayuri Nagar, Miyapur,
Hyderabad - 500049
Telangana, INDIA.
 
Phone::+91-8885583926
Web : http://rrbconline.in